Tell you what: My next film will have the largest walkout in the history of Cannes,” Swedish master-director Ruben Ostlund tells me, over a video-call, while patiently narrating specific scenes from his forthcoming movie, titled The Entertainment System is Down (ESD). I didn’t ask if he’s already shot, edited, or still scripting his next.

Firstly, which writer-director dives so deep into a movie that isn’t out yet, while the overt agenda for the conversation is Ostlund’s Triangle of Sadness (TS, 2022).